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		<title>For a Beautiful Web</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 15:44:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Every so often as I meander around the internet I find little bits of geek-dome brilliance in the markup of a site. This morning, I was reading For A Beautiful Web, a site put out by Andy Clarke. This site, by itself is a great resource, but that&#8217;s not why I&#8217;m writing this. I left [...]]]></description>
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<p>Every so often as I meander around the internet I find little bits of geek-dome brilliance in the markup of a site.</p>
<p>This morning, I was reading <a href="http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/" rel="external">For A Beautiful Web</a>, a site put out by <a href="http://www.transcendingcss.com/" rel="external">Andy Clarke</a>. This site, by itself is a great resource, but that&#8217;s not why I&#8217;m writing this.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.csskarma.com/images/articles/forabeautifulweb-screenshot.jpg" alt="screen shot of For a Beautiful Web dot com"/></p>
<p>I left a comment on <a href="http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/on_needing_a_timetable_for_css_dash_extensions/" rel="external">a recent blog post</a>, and since I had also just written a custom style for this site with <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2108" rel="external">Stylish</a>, I noticed that the comment I left looked a little funny. It looked like the style I just wrote for a blockquote. So I investigated.</p>
<p>Sure enough:</p>
<pre><code>&lt;li id=&quot;r450&quot; class=&quot;odd &quot;&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;meta&quot;&gt;
&lt;h4 class=&quot;vcard&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;#r450&quot; title=&quot;Permalink this reply&quot;&gt;#1&lt;/a&gt; &amp;bull; &lt;span class=&quot;fn url&quot;&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.csskarma.com&quot;&gt;Tim Wright&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/h4&gt;&lt;abbr title=&quot;2009-03-12&quot;&gt;Mar 12th 2009 &amp;bull; 4:05 &lt;sup&gt;pm&lt;/sup&gt;&lt;/abbr&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;p&gt;It always seems like company heads generally agree that getting together and talking for the greater good is a positive thing. Unfortunately, it never seems to happen. My guess is that they don&amp;#8217;t see the value in improving their product to us (the developer), only the general user who generates the majority of the revenue.
&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;
It&amp;#8217;s unfortunate that not many people higher up actually give back to the community as a whole.
&lt;/p&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;
&lt;/li&gt;
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<p><img src="http://www.csskarma.com/images/articles/forabeautifulweb-blockquote.jpg" alt="comment blockquote usage on For a Beautiful Web dot com"/></p>
<p>Not only a blockquote, but a dash-o-microformatting too.</p>
<p>Anyway, I thought this was a brilliant addition to blog comments, and it makes perfect semantic sense, and I really hope it catches on. I love it, great job Andy!</p>
<p><strong>P.S.</strong> If anyone wants to meet up at SXSW next week <a href="http://www.twitter.com/csskarma/" rel="external me">DM me</a> (or <a href="http://www.csskarma.com/contact/">e-mail me</a>), I&#8217;ll be there for all of the Interactive and some of the movies.</p>
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		<title>A New Breed of Microformat</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Sep 2008 16:05:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Tim</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Web Development]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because I&#8217;m a web dork (nice way to start a post, huh?), I was poking around YouTube last weekend and decided to crack it open in FireBug. I was on YouTube&#8217;s MayerMusic channel fiddling around with the video info section and notice that some of the info was wrapped in a quasi familiar class &#8220;vfacets&#8221;. [...]]]></description>
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<p>Because I&#8217;m a web dork (nice way to start a post, huh?), I was poking around <a href="http://www.youtube.com/" rel="external">YouTube</a> last weekend and decided to crack it open in <a href="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/1843" rel="external">FireBug</a>.</p>
<p>I was on <a href="http://www.youtube.com/mayermusic" rel="external">YouTube&#8217;s MayerMusic channel</a> fiddling around with the video info section and notice that some of the info was wrapped in a quasi familiar class &#8220;vfacets&#8221;. This <em>appears</em> to be some sort of <a href="http://www.microformats.org">Microformat</a>; but none that I&#8217;ve ever seen.</p>
<p><img src="http://www.csskarma.com/images/articles/vfacets-mayermusic.jpg" alt="mayermusic video info wrapped in div.vfacets"/></p>
<p>After seeing that, I decided to do a little digging (digging = 5 mins of Googling), and eventually found a pretty undetailed page about <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/group-examples" rel="external" id="linkabove">group examples of Microformats</a>.</p>
<p>Generally, I find that Google&#8217;s front end development is a disgrace to the Internet (no offense&#x2026;), but it seems like they&#8217;re buying into the concept of Microformats. With that in mind I thought I&#8217;d talk about how Microformat groups could be used.</p>
<h4>Usage</h4>
<p>Many of us are familiar with the most common <a href="http://microformats.org/code-tools/" rel="external">types of Microformats</a> (hCalendar, hCard, hReview, and XFN). There are also many that are <a href="http://microformats.org/wiki/Main_Page#Drafts" rel="external">still in draft form</a> like hResume, geo, and rel-directory. However, it seems that a new type could be emerging for grouping information.</p>
<p><a href="#linkabove">The link above</a> listed out 4 examples of major sites using Microformat groups: YouTube, Magnolia, Linkedin and Flickr. I really like how Google (youtube) is marking it up though, so I&#8217;m going to get in to that.</p>
<h5>YouTube vEntry markup</h5>
<pre><code>&lt;div class=&quot;v120vEntry&quot;&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;vstill&quot;&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;/user/spoiledmilk&quot;&gt;&lt;img src=&quot;2.jpg&quot; class=&quot;vimg&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;vtitle&quot;&gt;
&lt;a href=&quot;/profile?user=spoiledmilk&quot;&gt;spoiledmilk&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;div class=&quot;vfacets&quot;&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;grayText&quot;&gt;Joined:&lt;/span&gt; August 02, 2006&lt;br&gt;
&lt;span class=&quot;grayText&quot;&gt;Videos:&lt;/span&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;/profile_videos?user=spoiledmilk&quot;&gt;21&lt;/a&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;
&lt;/div&gt;</code></pre>
<p>In marking up user information they are using:</p>
<ul>
<li><strong>ventry</strong> as a wrapper</li>
<li><strong>vstill</strong> for the user image link</li>
<li><strong>vimg</strong> for the image itself</li>
<li><strong>vtitle</strong> for the user&#8217;s name</li>
<li><strong>vfacets</strong> for, what seems to be, general information</li>
</ul>
<p>I&#8217;m wondering why Google is going with this. In the past I think it&#8217;s safe to say that they don&#8217;t really do things like this unless they&#8217;re planning to use it in something they build. Not to take shots at Google, but they don&#8217;t really do things for the greater good of the web community (correct me if I&#8217;m wrong).</p>
<h4>Consistent user tagging</h4>
<p>The basis for using something like a <code>vcard</code> class is to let the browser, user, spambot, or software know that a page contains contact information (and your now beautifully marked up e&ndash;mail address). This same principle applies to Google&#8217;s <code>vEntry</code>.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s consider that Google is building a large social networking platform; I know that the main complaint I have with all these new networking sites is that you have to constantly rebuild your contact list. Marking up a member&#8217;s information in a consistent way would aid in search and ease the pain of finding those <a href="http://twitter.com/csskarma/followers" rel="external">Twitter followers</a> (for example) we all love so much. <em>Or even for building some sort of Internet phone book.</em></p>
<h4>What are they scheming?</h4>
<p>What&#8217;s Google planning? What else can be done with this new microformat? Did I completely miss a huge glaring detail here?</p>
<p>Maybe this isn&#8217;t even Google code, it could be left over from when they bought out YouTube. I guess we won&#8217;t know for sure until we can pick apart Google&#8217;s brain and find out what&#8217;s going on in there.</p>
<p>In the mean time, watch out for this new Microformat, I have a feeling they&#8217;ll be popping up in other Google sites as well.</p>
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