Comments on: Header and Footer in the Semantic Web http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/ display your <style> Mon, 12 Jul 2010 04:09:54 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0 By: Bob http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-42602 Bob Mon, 19 Jan 2009 16:37:58 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-42602 Thank you for an excellent article. One slight correction: in the stylesheet example you need hashes (#) before the elements, since those are after all IDs (e.g. #content{} ). Thank you for an excellent article. One slight correction: in the stylesheet example you need hashes (#) before the elements, since those are after all IDs (e.g. #content{} ).

]]> By: EllisGL http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31806 EllisGL Thu, 27 Nov 2008 20:29:14 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31806 I'm slapping my head, I was thinking underscores would be better than dashes when I made that comment, but dashes are better for naming conventions after looking back over some stuff. I’m slapping my head, I was thinking underscores would be better than dashes when I made that comment, but dashes are better for naming conventions after looking back over some stuff.

]]> By: Tim http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31684 Tim Thu, 27 Nov 2008 02:06:03 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31684 @Ellis The overall goal should be to make a web site work for every person who comes to it. Since the browsers effected by the underscore are so old I don't recommend putting in that much effort to help them, but using a hyphen instead of an underscore is such a small thing and it makes a big difference. @charlie moving at the speed of the W3C, a new version of XHTML might be long after I die. I did hear that HTML 5.0 is trying to be more semantic with tags like <nav> in the spec, but of course it's a <strong>long</strong> way from finished. Maybe we'll see some official cooperation when Doc Brown's flying Delorian descends on Hill Valley. @Ellis The overall goal should be to make a web site work for every person who comes to it. Since the browsers effected by the underscore are so old I don’t recommend putting in that much effort to help them, but using a hyphen instead of an underscore is such a small thing and it makes a big difference.

@charlie moving at the speed of the W3C, a new version of XHTML might be long after I die. I did hear that HTML 5.0 is trying to be more semantic with tags like <nav> in the spec, but of course it’s a long way from finished.

Maybe we’ll see some official cooperation when Doc Brown’s flying Delorian descends on Hill Valley.

]]> By: Charlie http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31565 Charlie Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:33:09 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31565 Yep, this makes sense Tim. Here's a question for you, when will XHTML be modified to encorporate new semantic tagging? I mean, yes <strong> is better than <b>, but when will I see a or type of tag? Just curious if you knew anything about that. Thanks for the great article, I'll start using this myself too. Yep, this makes sense Tim. Here’s a question for you, when will XHTML be modified to encorporate new semantic tagging? I mean, yes <strong> is better than <b>, but when will I see a or type of tag? Just curious if you knew anything about that.

Thanks for the great article, I’ll start using this myself too.

]]> By: EllisGL http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31533 EllisGL Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:11:16 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31533 Ah - why worry about supporting a browser from 7 years ago? The only browsers you should worry about are IE6, 7, (8 beta 2?), FF, Opera and Safari. Ah – why worry about supporting a browser from 7 years ago? The only browsers you should worry about are IE6, 7, (8 beta 2?), FF, Opera and Safari.

]]> By: Tim http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31528 Tim Wed, 26 Nov 2008 13:01:33 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31528 @Mich Yea, I've run into that issue a couple times, but only when I use a lot of comments. Generally speaking these are the only divs I use on a page: -branding -nav -search -content -content-main -content-sub -site-info unless there are some extra nav element (like in this site) This specific page is a bad example because there's some wordpress code I haven't got around to cleaning up yet. @jimmy have you been able to pinpoint the jQuery problem with dashes? I bet the jQuery developers would lie to hear about something like that @malarkey Hi Andy, wow, thanks for chiming in :)! Thanks for the link and the update (and of course for writing the book.) The only real weirdness that stuck with me was nesting nesting everything in a <code>UL</code>. I tried it once, and it actually worked really well, but never felt quite right. But I've been using the new ID naming since the day I finished reading the book! Absolutely changed the way I develop web sites. Thanks! @Mich Yea, I’ve run into that issue a couple times, but only when I use a lot of comments. Generally speaking these are the only divs I use on a page:
-branding
-nav
-search
-content
-content-main
-content-sub
-site-info

unless there are some extra nav element (like in this site)
This specific page is a bad example because there’s some wordpress code I haven’t got around to cleaning up yet.

@jimmy have you been able to pinpoint the jQuery problem with dashes? I bet the jQuery developers would lie to hear about something like that

@malarkey Hi Andy, wow, thanks for chiming in :) ! Thanks for the link and the update (and of course for writing the book.)

The only real weirdness that stuck with me was nesting nesting everything in a UL. I tried it once, and it actually worked really well, but never felt quite right. But I’ve been using the new ID naming since the day I finished reading the book! Absolutely changed the way I develop web sites. Thanks!

]]> By: Malarkey http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31524 Malarkey Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:13:59 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31524 @Tim: Chiming in? Your wish is my command! It's nice to see this topic still getting attention. I've been updating my thoughts about naming conventions again <a href="http://forabeautifulweb.com/blog/about/more_on_developing_naming_conventions_microformats_and_html5/" rel="nofollow">recently</a>. Weird stuff in my book? What could you mean? ;) @Tim: Chiming in? Your wish is my command! It’s nice to see this topic still getting attention.

I’ve been updating my thoughts about naming conventions again recently.

Weird stuff in my book? What could you mean? ;)

]]> By: jimmy wilson http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31510 jimmy wilson Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:22:47 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31510 Using dashes for class names can cause problems in javascript and jquery as they can get treated as minus sometimes i still cant deicde whether to use myclassname MyClassName my_class_name my-class-name shucks......... Using dashes for class names can cause problems in javascript and jquery as they can get treated as minus sometimes

i still cant deicde whether to use

myclassname
MyClassName
my_class_name
my-class-name

shucks………

]]> By: Mich http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31496 Mich Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:04:08 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31496 Great article. I'll definitely be changing the way I work now. I used to use comments at the end of each div but this seemed to cause some kind of bug in IE6 where the last few characters of each div were duplicated - have you not experienced the same thing? Great article. I’ll definitely be changing the way I work now.

I used to use comments at the end of each div but this seemed to cause some kind of bug in IE6 where the last few characters of each div were duplicated – have you not experienced the same thing?

]]> By: Tim http://www.csskarma.com/blog/header-and-footer/comment-page-1/#comment-31256 Tim Tue, 25 Nov 2008 04:21:59 +0000 http://www.csskarma.com/blog/?p=228#comment-31256 @pab Andy has some weird stuff in that book too. I remember him suggesting that all content be put into one long unordered list. @Hill, yea I read that after about 3 months of using the underscores. I'd like to actually see it break something though. @Thorsten I agree! I always thought it was weird that header and foot stuck while utility classes got all the semantic attention @Juan Fair enough, it's not for everyone, but try to examine to content you're putting in that header and ask if you're doing it because it makes sense or because it's been done like that for so long @jt Thanks! I'm glad there are like-minded people out there, I wish we could get Andy to chime in on this post too @pab Andy has some weird stuff in that book too. I remember him suggesting that all content be put into one long unordered list.

@Hill, yea I read that after about 3 months of using the underscores. I’d like to actually see it break something though.

@Thorsten I agree! I always thought it was weird that header and foot stuck while utility classes got all the semantic attention

@Juan Fair enough, it’s not for everyone, but try to examine to content you’re putting in that header and ask if you’re doing it because it makes sense or because it’s been done like that for so long

@jt Thanks! I’m glad there are like-minded people out there, I wish we could get Andy to chime in on this post too

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